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Mar. 24 2019 - 7:46pm
@Den Just finished 2nd playthrough and testing session. I really like the edits I have made. Going to take another week to look over things !!
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Mar. 11 2019 - 7:04pm
@Den Hey, thanks for all of the support. Finished with the changes and currently playing through the game !!
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Feb. 25 2019 - 7:31pm
@Den Yo, finishing up the bosses and will do some more testing before the big release !!
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Feb. 18 2019 - 10:42pm
@Den Hey, got the main bosses edited and working on the treasure chests. Getting close to finished my edits !!
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Feb. 10 2019 - 9:11pm
@Den Yo, got the shops edited now and will start work on the treasure edits. I bit confused on monster chests ATM...
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Jan. 29 2019 - 6:56pm
@Den Hey, really making progress with my Hex-Editing. Replied to my topic...a bit stuck again
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Jan. 23 2019 - 11:42pm
@Den  Yo, I am really getting the hang of this HEX editing stuff !! Working on figuring out the growth rate formula !!
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Jan. 17 2019 - 8:31pm
@Den I am starting get more understanding about Hex editing.  Thanks for taking time out for me !

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Compose key: wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key
more useful: https://fsymbols.com/keyboard/linux/compose/

I use KDE and alt-ctrl-l (left alt) locked the screen. It's not something I use much, and when I did I would right-click on Desktop and select Lock Screen (and I see it says the shortcut is alt-ctrl-l).

Keyboards are personal, make it work like you need it to :-)

Cheers, Ian

Huh. all this time I didn't know such a thing existed! I've been using Ctrl+Shift+u and typing in the unicode value of stuff I need, like 00b0 for the degree symbol (°).

Also, it finally dawned on me that the keyboard picture you sent me was of an X7.1 variant. I understand from other reading I've done that it's, effectively, intended to win the analyzer, and X7.1H does for pretty much everything I throw at it that I've typed at some point. I like that it solves my "thumb/OS key problem" with BEAKL by reverting to pinkies for those keys so I can easily add the OS key and the up/down/left/right/pgup/pgdn in the bottom row and have it be similar enough to QWERTY such that the OS's shortcuts are type-able. If you don't mind me asking questions:
  • Lowercase h on the thumb with AltGr... Does this "work"? "th" and "he" are the two most common bigrams ("th" is a nice roll on Dvorak), does it work in practice to require two keys for "h"?
  • The layout's "pairing" of <>, {}, (), and [] is inconsistent and almost haphazard -- does this matter in practice (once you commit it to muscle memory), or is my suspicion that it'd be annoying because you can't just move index & middle to left/right and type them both at the same time valid?
  • What's your general experience with/opinion of the mapping? Does its scoring well translate to a more pleasant typing experience? Have you a BEAKL keyboard or other mapping you can compare it to?
  • From my high school days as a cashier, I'm curious about 0 in particular on your numpad as this is normally a thumb key
  • How'd you get your keycaps "lettered"? I'd just assumed I'd go all blank because there'd be no way to accurately letter it, anyway, but you seem to have gotten a custom lettering.

Thanks again for your patient tolerance of me & my questions!
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Keyboards and Other Interfaces / Re: Balanced Keyboard Layout
« Last post by iandoug on Today at 10:32 AM »
Sorry, I'm unsure what you mean by "Compose key", but per your keyboard, were you to wish to lock your screen, would you simultaneously ty AltGr+Esc+L?

Compose key: wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key
more useful: https://fsymbols.com/keyboard/linux/compose/

I use KDE and alt-ctrl-l (left alt) locked the screen. It's not something I use much, and when I did I would right-click on Desktop and select Lock Screen (and I see it says the shortcut is alt-ctrl-l).

Keyboards are personal, make it work like you need it to :-)

Cheers, Ian
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Keyboards and Other Interfaces / Capacitive touch keyboard
« Last post by iandoug on Today at 10:25 AM »
So I'm thinking about my poor fingers and how years of pressing keys are causing joint issues etc.

Then I get to thinking that maybe we don't need to press keys ... just touch them like capacitive buttons in a lift/elevator. And not like the old Atari 400 keyboard which was same idea but sucky, it was a membrane switch not capacitive. Apparently made that way to be peanut-butter-proof.

Initial search does not find right kind to replace switches... did find one that's about 1cm by 2cm for the switch-plus-circuit which I suppose could be made to work somehow, but it was a touch-for-on, touch-for-off which is not what I want.

Searching is made trickier by the fact that "capacitive keyboard switch" is an already-existing but different idea.

Something like this. They're dirt cheap. Way cheaper than conventional switch+keycap.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10Pcs-TTP223-Touch-Key-Switch-Module-Touching-Button-Capacitive-Switches-Self-Locking-No-Locking-Jog-2/32761802828.html

These are 15x11 mm which is smaller than 19x19 normal keycap.

Thoughts?

Or will the just-touch-not-press action be too weird?

Thanks, Ian
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Keyboards and Other Interfaces / Re: One-handed Keyboard Layout
« Last post by m2gene on 2019-Jun-17 14:06 »
Hi!
I'm learning opt and I was asked to ask you a question: Does opt support for generating layouts for chorded keyboards with multiple chords?
) Thank you.
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Ah. Okay for KLA purposes that key usually is not included. I'm on Linux and I use the Left Windows key (Henceforth referred to as "OS Key") as a Compose key. If you're using it just to Lock your computer, it doesn't have to be in such a convenient spot.

If you look at the pic of my built keyboard above, you will see that the Escape key (top left) is now doing triple duty...

1. Esc (just press it)
2. "Menu" key ... what the RHS "Menu" key does on normal keyboard. This is on Shift-Esc.
3. OS Key ... what the LHS Windows key does on normal keyboard. This is on AtrGr-Esc.

If you look at more recent (laptop) keyboards, you will see that manufacturers are scaling back on these Microsoft additions to the standard layout, since most people don't use them.

For BEAKL layouts, you could use one of the unused keys. You get to choose where :-)

Hope that helps :-)

Cheers, Ian

Sorry, I'm unsure what you mean by "Compose key", but per your keyboard, were you to wish to lock your screen, would you simultaneously ty AltGr+Esc+L? I use the OS key a lot, on both Linux (to move between virtual desktops, window resize, etc.) and OS X (cursor movement, etc.) for a lot of combinations. Almost all of the shortcuts (on both OSes) rely on the key being on the left, chord relative to the keys next to it, and assume arrow keys on the right (hence both utilizing OS+arrow keys for shortcuts); I doubt the key could effectively driven off anything other than a thumb, and it would need to be possible to match both OS's assumptions about where keys are.

I'll need to think about this some more -- I rarely use the mouse/track pad because most of what I need to do can be accomplished, using shortcuts, on the keyboard (and this is much faster, at least for me) and having an OS key is essential; I'm just not sure where I could effectively place it.
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Keyboards and Other Interfaces / Re: Balanced Keyboard Layout
« Last post by Bruhdooh on 2019-Jun-16 21:28 »
Sadly I have to leave you folks as I went back to QWERTY. Just easier to type on, more accessible, and on top of that I am just plain faster and more accurate on it. Though I must say that the BEAKL layouts are very comfortable.
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Keyboards and Other Interfaces / Re: Balanced Keyboard Layout
« Last post by iandoug on 2019-Jun-15 03:33 »
In any case, what I'm truly trying to understand is whether this layout has a Windows key (or a key I can use as a Windows key). By example, Windows-L locks my Linux laptop. On the BEAKL 15 keyboard, can I do this? If it's AltGr-L, wouldn't that result in a "^" key press, instead?

Ah. Okay for KLA purposes that key usually is not included. I'm on Linux and I use the Left Windows key (Henceforth referred to as "OS Key") as a Compose key. If you're using it just to Lock your computer, it doesn't have to be in such a convenient spot.

If you look at the pic of my built keyboard above, you will see that the Escape key (top left) is now doing triple duty...

1. Esc (just press it)
2. "Menu" key ... what the RHS "Menu" key does on normal keyboard. This is on Shift-Esc.
3. OS Key ... what the LHS Windows key does on normal keyboard. This is on AtrGr-Esc.

If you look at more recent (laptop) keyboards, you will see that manufacturers are scaling back on these Microsoft additions to the standard layout, since most people don't use them.

For BEAKL layouts, you could use one of the unused keys. You get to choose where :-)

Hope that helps :-)

Cheers, Ian
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Does this help? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

You might want to look at some of the alternate layouts on Ergodox/Kinesis form factors, to see your options or give you some ideas. Either directly in one of Den's KLA sites, or  at https://keyboard-design.com/internet-letter-layout-db.html .... just type ergodox in the "search" bar there to filter.  The page does not have the latest BEAKLs because I haven't gotten around to running the tests with them yet.... on the ToDo list.

Cheers, Ian

Sorry, late reply...

My goal is to build a keyboard as opposed to remapping my Kinesis (I'd like something more portable). But, I'm still not understanding -- as I understand it, AltGr is the layer key for the punctuation layer. If I were to build a keyboard exactly as it looks on http://www.shenafu.com/code/keyboard/beakl/index.php (or http://shenafu.com/code/keyboard/kla3/#/config), it doesn't look like I'd end up with a keyboard that has the (PC) Windows/(OS X) Control key (left of the left Alt on a PC keyboard, left of the left Option key on a Mac keyboard). Maybe I don't understand how layering works?

In any case, what I'm truly trying to understand is whether this layout has a Windows key (or a key I can use as a Windows key). By example, Windows-L locks my Linux laptop. On the BEAKL 15 keyboard, can I do this? If it's AltGr-L, wouldn't that result in a "^" key press, instead?
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Keyboards and Other Interfaces / Re: Balanced Keyboard Layout
« Last post by iandoug on 2019-Jun-14 17:25 »
Nah. It's just that you can only choose between 2 and 3 million goals to focus on at any given time. This is it more or less? <http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/samples/pkb.json>

Looks awesome. Interested to hear your input about how the overall feel, particularity the thumb keys.

That was the original plan. But dummy testing (printed life-size on A3 paper, stuck keys on with artist's temporary spray glue) showed the layout to have some issues, particularly all the thumb keys. Rethinking that led to the ErgoLinear layout.
Version I'm making is attached. Logical letter layout will probably need changing. I think also that the numpad in the middle, while theoretically a good idea (i.e. can be used by both left and right-handed people) is not really a good idea, since I am right-handed, so making it left-hand-friendly was pointless. Also the typing angle of the centre block contorts the wrist. So will probably revert to right-hand-side numpad, or copy Den and integrate it on a layer. Also thinking about a joystick or somesuch instead of the 4 arrow keys.

Which is why I think I said a few messages back that I need to rethink keyboards AGAIN.... :-) ... There must be a better way.

Attached pic has leather top which I then proceeded to damage while trying to enlarge a drill hole... so actual version will have a fibreboard top (because I had one cut at the same time as the other layers). I did have a perspex shiny black top which also got damaged. Some things I learn the hard way.... :-)
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Keyboards and Other Interfaces / Re: Balanced Keyboard Layout
« Last post by mstacker on 2019-Jun-14 16:22 »
The project manager (me) is useless.... :-)

Nah. It's just that you can only choose between 2 and 3 million goals to focus on at any given time. This is it more or less? <http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/samples/pkb.json>

Looks awesome. Interested to hear your input about how the overall feel, particularity the thumb keys.

Matt
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